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HOW CAN YOUR SYSTEM WORK IF YOU DON'T PRACTICE FULL SPEED AND POWER LIKE IN MMA?
"Get
a demo up on youtube, which is against someone who is trying to knock
the crap out of one of your students - ie full contact and power. At
the moment all I see are typical fancy moves that will only work
against a willing training partner. In short, I see nothing realistic
in your clips so far. I will happily change my opinion if I see your
system working against a "non-compliant" partner."
A. The effectiveness of this system is undeniable when you touch hands with one of the upper belts. Your
problem is equating full force/full contact with "uncooperative." In contact flow we
allow people to do whatever they want and it's easier for us when they move
at full speed. We practice at full speed with each other but not full force, because our only targets are lethal targets and we're training exclusively to attack them and defend them. That's all we do. We're not interested in takedowns, arm bars, scoring points, knockouts to the head or even breaking the ribs with a perfect punch. However if someone is a powerful, highly skilled striker/grappler really looking to "prove" something and do you damage, and "finessing" them would be difficult, dangerous or impossible do you really think we want to play the same grappling game to see who can "win?" The goals are completely different.
Full force and speed for us while going for combat
targets is not "knocking the crap" out of someone, it's maiming them
for life when your own life is in danger. Not something you choose to do unprovoked. Why would you train sportively if your goal is survival and not "winning" a match or a fight? As an adult of legal age, why would you voluntarily grapple, submit, wrestle, lock or otherwise violently and completely subject your body directly to someone larger/stronger than you bent on your destruction, especially when it's exactly what they want you to do? Is fighting really a game that ordinary sensible adults should play? Competitive professional bare-foot athletes with half-gloves and restricted strikes/targets duking it out is one thing. In real life when adults fight it's called "war," something no mature person wants, looks forward to or "enjoys."
Youtube junkies looking for "real injuries" on the web don't give a crap whether the participants got maimed or killed, as long as they are "entertained" in the comfort of their little rooms.
In our demo clips we're not interested in presenting "Jackass" entertainment. Nevertheless, in our contact flow clips, the strikes hurt like hell even though they are pulled. If it looks like slap boxing, that's because of the viewer's lack of knowledge. Open-handed strikes deliver far more power than punches because all the small bones in a "fist" actually work like tiny shock absorbers that compress on impact. It also takes a tremendous amount of training to deliver a punch without breaking your hand and wrist, something even Mike Tyson experienced in a much publicized street brawl. Why do you think competitive boxers tape their hands? Open handed strikes (palms and chops) have been the preferred tool in war and close quarters combat since way before World War II.
Try this experiment at home: palm heel or chop a brick wall with all your might. Yes it stings and you might bleed, but you can still keep on fighting. Now punch a brick wall with all your might using your fist. No? Why not? Are you a wimp? Just because you'd break most of the bones in your hand and probably your wrist, leaving you as incapable of fighting as if you had been hit yourself? Something to think about.
The ground kicks in our groundfighting clips are tremendously pulled because of the injuries we've had. Even so, the "attackers" are rather reluctant to get hit even to show you how they work. The funniest responses we get to our cane fighting clips from the ground are from keyboard warriors who think they could easily wade into cane strikes and effect a submission. The "canes" in the youtube clips are heavily foam-padded PVC pipe and even they hurt like hell and raise huge welts. To think you could endure a shot or two from a real wood or steel cane is just plain stupid.
If on video it all looks like a sloppy
mess it's because real fights and really free-form training is never pretty. It's really not necessary to risk injury to see what's going on. As soon as you feel it, you get it instantly. But that's fine if you're not convinced. We're not going to please everybody and we don't care if some people can't get it from a video. Some will, some won't. We're not remotely interested in "throwdowns" either.
[edited and modified from a youtube post].
To quote Professor Brad Steiner, President of the International Combat Martial Arts Federation:
"A choice must be made. If a method can be practiced full force in a
competitive venue, then obviously it lacks crippling, maiming, and
killing skills — all of which, whether it is popular to say so or not,
must be taught and embedded in the student’s psyche and nervous system.
If a system is fully combat worthy, then any competition or full
contact training in the skills (except against dummies and other
insentient training aids) is nothing short of insanity."
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"Get a demo up on youtube, which is against someone who is trying to knock the crap out of one of your students - ie full contact and power. At the moment all I see are typical fancy moves that will only work against a willing training partner. In short, I see nothing realistic in your clips so far. I will happily change my opinion if I see your system working against a "non-compliant" partner."
A. The effectiveness of this system is undeniable when you touch hands with one of the upper belts. Your problem is equating full force/full contact with "uncooperative." In contact flow we allow people to do whatever they want and it's easier for us when they move at full speed. We practice at full speed with each other but not full force, because our only targets are lethal targets and we're training exclusively to attack them and defend them. That's all we do. We're not interested in takedowns, arm bars, scoring points, knockouts to the head or even breaking the ribs with a perfect punch. However if someone is a powerful, highly skilled striker/grappler really looking to "prove" something and do you damage, and "finessing" them would be difficult, dangerous or impossible do you really think we want to play the same grappling game to see who can "win?" The goals are completely different.
Full force and speed for us while going for combat targets is not "knocking the crap" out of someone, it's maiming them for life when your own life is in danger. Not something you choose to do unprovoked. Why would you train sportively if your goal is survival and not "winning" a match or a fight? As an adult of legal age, why would you voluntarily grapple, submit, wrestle, lock or otherwise violently and completely subject your body directly to someone larger/stronger than you bent on your destruction, especially when it's exactly what they want you to do? Is fighting really a game that ordinary sensible adults should play? Competitive professional bare-foot athletes with half-gloves and restricted strikes/targets duking it out is one thing. In real life when adults fight it's called "war," something no mature person wants, looks forward to or "enjoys."
Youtube junkies looking for "real injuries" on the web don't give a crap whether the participants got maimed or killed, as long as they are "entertained" in the comfort of their little rooms.
In our demo clips we're not interested in presenting "Jackass" entertainment. Nevertheless, in our contact flow clips, the strikes hurt like hell even though they are pulled. If it looks like slap boxing, that's because of the viewer's lack of knowledge. Open-handed strikes deliver far more power than punches because all the small bones in a "fist" actually work like tiny shock absorbers that compress on impact. It also takes a tremendous amount of training to deliver a punch without breaking your hand and wrist, something even Mike Tyson experienced in a much publicized street brawl. Why do you think competitive boxers tape their hands? Open handed strikes (palms and chops) have been the preferred tool in war and close quarters combat since way before World War II.
Try this experiment at home: palm heel or chop a brick wall with all your might. Yes it stings and you might bleed, but you can still keep on fighting. Now punch a brick wall with all your might using your fist. No? Why not? Are you a wimp? Just because you'd break most of the bones in your hand and probably your wrist, leaving you as incapable of fighting as if you had been hit yourself? Something to think about.
The ground kicks in our groundfighting clips are tremendously pulled because of the injuries we've had. Even so, the "attackers" are rather reluctant to get hit even to show you how they work. The funniest responses we get to our cane fighting clips from the ground are from keyboard warriors who think they could easily wade into cane strikes and effect a submission. The "canes" in the youtube clips are heavily foam-padded PVC pipe and even they hurt like hell and raise huge welts. To think you could endure a shot or two from a real wood or steel cane is just plain stupid.
If on video it all looks like a sloppy mess it's because real fights and really free-form training is never pretty. It's really not necessary to risk injury to see what's going on. As soon as you feel it, you get it instantly. But that's fine if you're not convinced. We're not going to please everybody and we don't care if some people can't get it from a video. Some will, some won't. We're not remotely interested in "throwdowns" either.
[edited and modified from a youtube post].
To quote Professor Brad Steiner, President of the International Combat Martial Arts Federation:
"A choice must be made. If a method can be practiced full force in a competitive venue, then obviously it lacks crippling, maiming, and killing skills — all of which, whether it is popular to say so or not, must be taught and embedded in the student’s psyche and nervous system. If a system is fully combat worthy, then any competition or full contact training in the skills (except against dummies and other insentient training aids) is nothing short of insanity."